In this episode of Masters of MAX, host Tom Butta welcomes Zach Greenberger, the Chief Business Officer and Head of Partner Experience at Lyft. Zach provides insights into Lyft’s strategies aimed at enhancing customer experiences and building lasting trust with both drivers and riders.
In this episode of Masters of MAX, host Tom Butta welcomes Zach Greenberger, the Chief Business Officer and Head of Partner Experience at Lyft. Zach provides insights into Lyft’s strategies aimed at enhancing customer experiences and building lasting trust with both drivers and riders.
Throughout their conversation, Tom and Zach discuss Lyft's focus on creating value and connectivity for both riders and drivers, such as innovative features like Women+ Connect, which increases drivers’ chances of matching with more women and nonbinary riders. These initiatives not only cater to user needs but also deepen the emotional connection with the brand by integrating new technologies and ad-tech solutions into the customer journey.
Zach also explains how the company’s understanding of first-party data allows for contextually relevant advertising, enhancing rider experiences without being interruptive. He touches on the strategic partnerships and tools Lyft employs to encourage people to get out of their homes, combating the loneliness epidemic by linking them with experiences and destinations.
Finally, Zach offers valuable advice for businesses looking to master mobile app experiences, emphasizing the importance of frictionless, user-centric design. He showcases some of Lyft's strategies for providing seamless interactions and highlights the power of live updates for real-time user engagement.
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Guest Bio
Zach Greenberger is the Chief Business Officer at Lyft, where he leads efforts on Lyft's growth partnership strategies and delivering value to the end-to-end supply chain. Zach has not only brought a strong procurement background to the role, but he's also always had a passion for emerging technologies and a customer-centric approach.
Prior to joining Lyft, Zach was integral to the Global Supply Management and Operations team at the Tesla Corporation and before that, he spent 3 years at IBM as a Strategic Sourcing Consultant.
With an impressive list of over 20 technology patents under his belt, Zach stays committed to driving loyalty to Lyft's customer base while continuing the company's mission to improve people's lives with the world's best transportation.
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Guest Quote
"The less clicks, the less taps, the easier to navigate, the better. In order to create real value, things need to be super easy to navigate and understand. And that is really complex, especially when you're working to come together with a partner to create an experience for a user. It has to be done in a way that is easily digestible, easily navigatable, and easy to understand." – Zach Greenberger
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Time Stamps
*(01:43) Lyft's authentic obsession with their customers
*(03:10) Why trust is critical to success
*(06:54) What is Lyft's biggest competitor?
*(09:25) How ads can uplift the user experience
*(13:13) Incentivizing users to experience the world around them
*(18:49) Zach's advice for others out there
*(21:18) Rapid Fire Questions
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Links
[00:00:00] Zach Greenberger: At the end of the day, what I think we realized is there's such a large addressable market. tied to transportation, that we don't need to necessarily be fully focused on what our competitor is doing. We need to build exceptional experiences for our customers. And as long as we're treating our customers the way that they should be treated, which is giving drivers the optimal ability to earn as much as they can, while also giving riders the ability to access transportation at a reasonable price in a very fast ETA, we are creating a world where we become part of the fabric of society.
[00:00:40] Voiceover: Welcome to Masters of Max, a mobile app experience podcast. Please welcome your host, Tom Butta, Chief Strategy and Marketing Officer at Airship.
[00:00:52] Tom Butta: Welcome to another episode of Masters of MAX. Today, I have the great pleasure of talking with Zach Greenberger. Zach is from [00:01:00] Lyft, and he is the chief business officer, as well as head of partner experience, something like that. OK.
[00:01:07] Zach Greenberger: Yes, that's correct.
[00:01:08] Tom Butta: Very cool. I'm a big fan of Lyft. Have been a user, was part of the, you know, the team that did the early investment in that, in the company, so always been a big fan.
[00:01:17] Tom Butta: And I mean, I love all that you've been doing with, with the company. I wanted to start this conversation by addressing something that everybody says, but not everybody does. And they always talk about, oh, customer is king and we need to really optimize the experience of the customer. But you guys really have an obsession around that.
[00:01:39] Tom Butta: Can you talk
[00:01:40] Zach Greenberger: to
[00:01:40] Tom Butta: that?
[00:01:41] Zach Greenberger: Of course, yeah. So it's kind of all started with David Risher, our new CEO, who's really instilled this really important framework for how we think about our customers. And it starts at the top level of customer obsession drives profitable growth. We deeply believe that if you put the customer first and you're really solving for the customer needs, You are going to create a [00:02:00] very profitable business.
[00:02:01] Zach Greenberger: And we've started to see that play out in a pretty interesting way over the course of the past year. We've launched. A lot of new innovations that are deeply focused on addressing exact customer needs that we've been receiving feedback on for years. And I credit a lot of our deep obsession for, to our customers.
[00:02:19] Zach Greenberger: And like the real reason that we care so much about our customer base is kind of proof in the pudding. You have to build these experiences.
[00:02:26] Tom Butta: It's really wonderful that you took the time to listen and actually you, you, you actually, more importantly, did something about it. And I think, you know, people, to the degree you provide feedback and you actually see these experiences play out, then it builds, what's the word you want to use?
[00:02:41] Tom Butta: Trust. Trust. Yeah. I mean, there's nothing like that in a relationship. It's one thing you flag down a taxi and if you're in a city, right, to get a ride, because, you know, there's, there are professional drivers now. Yeah. You, you, you've hired a new car and you're in the backseat and you're kind of at the, I don't know, a little bit at the whim [00:03:00] of, you know, how well the driver performs, the kind of environment that you're in, how you're treated.
[00:03:05] Tom Butta: There is a lot of trust that comes with that, just the idea, even.
[00:03:10] Tom Butta: Yeah, totally. I mean, the way that I like to look at it is you have a lot of options when you're leaving your home, when you're going out at night, when you're coming out of the airport. You're right, you could take a rideshare platform, you could take the train, you can take a taxi.
[00:03:25] Tom Butta: There are a lot of different things that you can do. And our ability to create that trust with our customer is ultimately why they're going to choose us every day. So when we think about the importance of really listening to our customer and not just talking the talk, but actually walking the walk, that is where we start to see customers start to take more rides on the platform.
[00:03:45] Tom Butta: Customers start to prefer our brand, things like that. And, and we could point to a ton of examples, you know, over the past couple of months we've launched. A lot of new innovations within the rideshare space specifically, for example, Women Plus Connect, where women riders [00:04:00] can now match with women drivers and vice versa.
[00:04:03] Tom Butta: You can select it as a preference on your, on your app. A driver can make that
[00:04:07] Tom Butta: selection as well. Correct. I love that. That goes both ways. That's great.
[00:04:10] Zach Greenberger: Yeah, which has seen great results. We've launched our scheduled ride on time pickup promise, where we are committing to you that we are going to arrive within the 10 minutes of the time that we said we are, or we are going to fund up to 100 of your ride.
[00:04:23] Zach Greenberger: Something customers really want, and we figured out how to, a way to effectively create that solution, right? And I, and it's some interesting stat, but since we've launched it, we've, we've had over 99 percent on time pickups. So part of it is like actually understanding how to create these new user experiences.
[00:04:42] Zach Greenberger: And then the other part is having the confidence and the conviction to actually build the solution, right? So I think, you know, we have a ton of examples across the board on how we prioritize our customers, and those are just a small few, but now that is kind that obsession is really baked into our DNA.
[00:04:58] Zach Greenberger: And how we think [00:05:00] about our everyday product development.
[00:05:01] Tom Butta: That's really amazing. And the fact that it starts on the top, did you, I mean, you've been with the company longer than a year since, right? Okay. So have you, is there a noticeable difference?
[00:05:10] Zach Greenberger: Well, you know, John and Logan, the founders of the company are exceptional human beings, and they've done an amazing job in building this really iconic brand that I think most people would say is kind of grounded in humanity and human connection and all of those things.
[00:05:25] Zach Greenberger: And when we saw David come in. We really just took our product development shops to the next level. David's a very seasoned executive who's done this time and time again, from his time at Amazon to his time at Microsoft, and the way at which he prioritizes the customer and the urgency by which we work to solve our solutions is just a different velocity than we've historically operated, and you can feel that day to day.
[00:05:47] Tom Butta: So it's really taking really the core of what you guys always were about and then just building on that. That's exactly right. That's great. Sounds like a great hire. No, I mean, succession planning off of [00:06:00] especially founders, you know, that's a really difficult move to make, right?
[00:06:04] Zach Greenberger: Yeah, totally. And John and Logan put blood, sweat and tears into this business for over a decade.
[00:06:10] Zach Greenberger: And they built something so incredible. And, you know, having someone that was so deeply caring about the mission and our customers who we consider to be our drivers, our riders, and our strategic partners has really taken us to the next level. And you can feel it in the environment.
[00:06:26] Tom Butta: So you talked before about people having a choice.
[00:06:30] Tom Butta: How have you thought of the brand relative to that choice? Like how have you thought about, you have to obviously think about the other options, like Sure. And how, how you compare to them have, how have you, how have you established like the mission of the business or your competitive differentiation? How have you established that?
[00:06:48] Tom Butta: Because you know, there's some pretty significant competitors, which also include just doing what I've always done.
[00:06:54] Zach Greenberger: Yeah. You know, when it's funny. Internally, we talk about how do we think about the [00:07:00] competitive landscape. At the end of the day, we consider our competition staying in. So when you Staying in, like staying home.
[00:07:07] Zach Greenberger: Staying, staying home is our competition, right? Okay, right. And And the reason for that is because, you know, there is a real such thing as the loneliness epidemic. You know, people who are cooped up in their house, they tend to have more stress, they tend to have more anxiety, they tend to not have as close of relationships as they otherwise can and should be.
[00:07:28] Zach Greenberger: And we believe it's like, Part of our core DNA and our mission to help connect you to experiences outside of your home and living your best life. And honestly, that's why my job is so fun because leading our overall partner ecosystem, which is extensible for our integrated partnerships we have today, for example, with Chase, Delta, Hilton, Built, all the way to how we're thinking about building our AdTech platform, which is designed to empower and enable unique experiences throughout your life.
[00:07:56] Zach Greenberger: transportation journey. All of these things are in [00:08:00] service of you living your best life, whether that's the rider or whether that's the driver, right? And I think that's what really separates us as a brand is we, we hold our driver as equally as important of a customer as our rider. And to the extent that we can, we can help empower both of them to live their best lives.
[00:08:17] Zach Greenberger: You create this really magical connection that not only extends within the car, but also is extensible outside the car when you ultimately are going to where you need to go.
[00:08:25] Tom Butta: That's very cool. I love that the competition is not getting out, right? Staying home is not, not a good thing.
[00:08:31] Zach Greenberger: Yeah. And I think, you know, it's for years and I've been at Lyft for five and a half years.
[00:08:35] Zach Greenberger: So I think for years we've, we've talked about what does competitive landscape look like? Who is our biggest competitor? What are they doing? And at the end of the day, what I think we realized is there's such a large addressable market. tied to transportation that we don't need to necessarily be fully focused on what our competitor is doing.
[00:08:55] Zach Greenberger: We need to build exceptional experiences for our customers. And as long as we're treating our [00:09:00] customers the way that they should be treated, which is giving drivers the optimal ability to earn as much as they can, while also giving riders the ability to access transportation at a reasonable price in a very fast ETA, we are creating a world where we become part of the fabric of society.
[00:09:16] Zach Greenberger: And I think That is really what our goal is. How do we deepen those emotional connections and really create powerful experiences for our drivers, for our riders, and with our partners?
[00:09:25] Tom Butta: So one of the things you mentioned quickly tucked in there was your ad tech platform, right? So obviously you have a very large installed base as it were, but you also have a captured audience.
[00:09:38] Tom Butta: And why did, you know, some people would think, oh, having advertising, like, in, as part of your experience, may be interruptive. Tell me the rationale for, for how you've gone about this.
[00:09:51] Zach Greenberger: Well, what I would say is, what most folks call interruptive is, is almost right a lot of the times. It is interruptive a lot of time.
[00:09:57] Zach Greenberger: And, uh, My team has [00:10:00] taken a really intentional view of trying to step back from what we call interruptive and we call more contextually relevant using the very powerful walled garden first party data that we have. You know, you hear a lot of chatter just generally around the deprecation of cookies and how you're going to be able to think about the future of measurement and attribution and all of those things.
[00:10:22] Zach Greenberger: And when we step back and look at The power that the Lyft platform creates for potential advertisers and partners is, you know, we understand the user profile, we understand purchase intent data, we understand purchase history, we understand the ability to time relevant placements in a way that will be really engaging and relevant contextually based off of where you are going.
[00:10:42] Zach Greenberger: So when you put all of these things together, We have a really powerful ecosystem that not only can help create value for merchants, but can also create value for riders and drivers in helping up level their transportation journey. So that's kind of the premise by which we said, all right, we have a right to win here [00:11:00] because we have the ability to provide a really unique solution that isn't really provided anywhere else in the market today.
[00:11:05] Zach Greenberger: How long are the ads, typically? Well, so, I can give you some stats, but right now, the way that we've designed our ad products is that we actually allow a merchant or an advertiser to take over the ride in app or in car. So, on average, a rider looks at their app around nine times in a given, in a given ride, which, which is a lot.
[00:11:25] Zach Greenberger: And that gives us the ability to really make sure that there is the right level of viewability, there's the right level of measurability and clickability, and there's the right level of user experience. Our initial results are pretty amazing. We've seen click through rates at 10 times industry benchmarks.
[00:11:39] Zach Greenberger: We've seen viewability rates at 15 times industry benchmark. We've launched a video product that right now is about 5x the industry benchmark on video video completion. And we've also run a bunch of brand favorability and purchase intent studies with a partner in Kantar. And we've, we've, some of the initial data shows that brand favorability and purchase [00:12:00] intent is about seven times the industry benchmark as well.
[00:12:03] Zach Greenberger: Not to say that these are the main reasons for advertising with Lyft, but they are a signal for how we think about the power of these products, and they are informing how we think about the future of our integration, measurement, and targeting strategy.
[00:12:16] Tom Butta: So I think I heard you say that you allow an advertiser to effectively be part of one continuous ride with that individual.
[00:12:23] Tom Butta: Is that true?
[00:12:24] Zach Greenberger: Yes, that's right. So we allow for advertisers to take over the full ride, which is on average between 18 to 20 minutes. But based off of the nine times that a rider is viewing the application during the course of that ride, that could average anywhere between five and five and a half minutes of exposure for the advertiser.
[00:12:42] Tom Butta: Right. Wow. So you really are digitally savvy when it comes to, you know, what you're doing.
[00:12:49] Zach Greenberger: Yeah. I mean, I think the really amazing part is, to your point earlier, we have a very captive user base. We have a large user base. So actually [00:13:00] building our ad tech has been informed by a lot of the, we aren't that surprised because we've been building intentionally to make sure that this is something that really is, it resonates for our customers.
[00:13:10] Tom Butta: Very cool. So I have actually an interesting question. I'm here in Manhattan, right? And there are so many delivery services, right? I mean, you talk about, yeah, you want to talk about wanting people to get out of the house. There's so many delivery services that are set up to keep people in their home. Like, it's actually, it's actually quite amazing.
[00:13:29] Tom Butta: Yeah. And, you know, I think one of your competitors, you know, has that same offer, right? To, you know, to deliver stuff to you. What are some examples of why you're. Doing just the opposite of that. Like, I don't know, maybe to go shopping or to go to actually eat food at a place versus have it delivered. Do you have it?
[00:13:50] Tom Butta: Sure.
[00:13:51] Zach Greenberger: Yeah. So, so look, I mean, there's always going to be a market for food delivery. People love to stay at home and order food. That's just part of life these days, which I think [00:14:00] is really interesting. But let's not forget that the main thing that we are trying to do. to address for our customer base is addressing this loneliness epidemic, right?
[00:14:08] Zach Greenberger: How do you get people out living their best lives? Now, if I put it into the perspective of a merchant or a restaurant or a bar, whomever that might be, what I would say is like, food delivery has maybe loosened my ability to really develop a deep connection with that customer. I have one transaction that comes in, I send the food out.
[00:14:30] Zach Greenberger: It gets delivered to their home. Sure, they might be intently ordering from my restaurant, but I don't have the ability to welcome them in. I don't have the ability to develop a deeper connection with them in hopes that maybe they're going to come one extra time per month or the ability to kind of upsell them and, and, you know, You know, have them, you know, have a beer while they're waiting for their pizza or whatever that might be.
[00:14:50] Zach Greenberger: So I think we believe that we have some of the tooling to help facilitate that transaction where we can help give the merchant the ability to [00:15:00] create a deeper connection or relationship with the customer. And I've kind of referenced those through a way of how I'm talking about surfacing contextually relevant experiences and ads, but you know, imagine a world where, Tom, you get into your Lyft and you are on the way to Midtown, Manhattan, and And You see a notification within the app that says, Hey, Joe's Pizza is on the way to wherever you might be stopping.
[00:15:26] Zach Greenberger: Would you like to stop by and maybe get 20 percent off of your meal? Right? Small, that's like a very small example that's been talked about before, but that is a signal of how you can help kind of shift the preference back to foot traffic in the door to create that really emotional connection, which ultimately is what we care about, right?
[00:15:47] Tom Butta: Yeah. And even if it's not just in that particular moment, it's actually in your head, because actually right now, I want to have pizza. So, no, it's, it's dinner time here. I mean, no. And Joe's pizza's pretty good too.
[00:15:59] Zach Greenberger: [00:16:00] Yeah, I mean, I mean, we, you know, we're launching a ton of products in support of kind of that, that feeling and, and eliciting that emotion of getting out and also trying new things.
[00:16:10] Zach Greenberger: So we recently launched a product called Sponsored Rides, which is in partnership with some very large brands, which is a major. grocery retailer in the U. S. and also one of the largest pharmacies in the U. S. And what that looks like is you go into the Lyft app, And it says, Hey, get 5 off of your next ride to CVS.
[00:16:30] Zach Greenberger: And you click it, and it goes into your wallet. And then the next time you're in need of something, and you enter CVS as your destination, you're going to have 5 removed from the ride. And really what we're doing here is we're giving merchants a different way to repackage customer acquisition costs that allows them to drive foot traffic through the door versus Needing to send things out via delivery.
[00:16:53] Zach Greenberger: And that is a really interesting way to think about product differentiation, especially because we are only one [00:17:00] of a very few players that actually understands transportation trends relative to a very specific user or individual.
[00:17:08] Tom Butta: A hundred percent. And, and, and you know who that individual is. You talked about first party data, right?
[00:17:13] Tom Butta: You know what their ride history has been. You know, maybe they've been to those. Shops or stores or locations before. And you see this as a repeatable pattern. And so you can offer it up as a program, right? I love this. Sponsored rides. That's actually really, really cool. That makes a lot of sense. I would think that pharm, you know, pharmacy like a CVS, that's a, that's a big deal.
[00:17:34] Tom Butta: Maybe, maybe some, you know, other places that now have pharmacies and have other things like a, I don't know, a Walmart. Those are really cool ideas.
[00:17:42] Zach Greenberger: Yeah. And remember, we know, you know, we know how many rides we're giving in a specific, I mean, you mentioned Walmart. We know how many rides we're giving per week to Walmart.
[00:17:51] Zach Greenberger: So there are a lot of magical interactions and moments that we can create simply by knowing just that data point. right? Whether that is working with Walmart [00:18:00] to create a new user experience, or whether that is working with another, you know, retailer to, to use what we know about those customers interests to create other magical experiences.
[00:18:09] Zach Greenberger: So like, there's a lot of things we can, we can assert from this very unique first party data that we have that is, you know, It's not accessible in other areas.
[00:18:19] Tom Butta: So you know, the
[00:18:19] Zach Greenberger: main
[00:18:20] Tom Butta: purpose of this podcast is to have people like yourself who work with businesses who have figured out how to, you know, quote unquote, master mobile app experiences.
[00:18:30] Tom Butta: And our premise, and also the data proves it, is that A, the good stuff's usually in the app, and B, the app customer is typically more valuable than all other customers for most brands, especially that have multiple, you know, ways in which they interact with, with their, with their customers. Now, you're effectively a mobile first business.
[00:18:53] Tom Butta: What can you share for others that can help them understand truly how to, how to focus on experience [00:19:00] and truly how to master it, given what was a transactional nature of this app? It's become much, much bigger than that.
[00:19:07] Zach Greenberger: Yeah, I think the, the biggest thing we try and focus on these days is customer first, of course, which I've talked a lot about over the, over the course of this podcast, but frictionless, frictionless, the less clicks, the less taps, the easier to navigate, the better, you know, Consumers have a very short attention span and in order to create them real value, things need to be super easy to navigate and understand.
[00:19:36] Zach Greenberger: And that is something that is really complex, especially when you're working, you know, look in my world where now I'm trying to come together with a partner or a business to create an experience for a user that has to be done in a way that is easily digestible, easily navigatable. And easy to understand.
[00:19:56] Zach Greenberger: And it's very easy to get away from those things when you start [00:20:00] talking about the world of possibilities, particularly with in partnerships. So I think that's, that's one of the things that I've been most appreciative of at Lyft is there's like a very keen eye for how do we think, about reducing the friction for the customer in a way that they really understand the value that they're getting and they understand how to use the app in a way that's going to enable them to live their best life.
[00:20:21] Tom Butta: Well, one of the ways that you do that, which is near and dear to my heart, uh, because I'm a big Lyft user, is, uh, by using live updates, right? So, live updates, which Apple introduced maybe about a year ago, you know, we were big believers in it. We were actually were in market with a customer the day they announced it and have a lot of other companies, you know, wanting.
[00:20:42] Tom Butta: Wanting to build in that capability, but I mean, it makes complete sense that, you know, providing again, instead of searching to see where's the ride, instead of searching to understand, you know, where, where, where things are, it's actually coming to you in an organic way with that's not being interruptive.
[00:20:59] Tom Butta: So you've, you've [00:21:00] just eliminated the taps and the clicks required, right? Exactly.
[00:21:03] Zach Greenberger: A perfect example of how you can use, you can use the application to create utility for a customer based off of what's going to be the most easy thing to understand in order to use what you are ultimately delivering to them as a valuable experience.
[00:21:18] Tom Butta: Zach, this has been great. We're going to now move into, into the rapid fire question part of the, part of the podcast. So are you ready? Let's do it. Alright, Android or iPhone?
[00:21:28] Zach Greenberger: iPhone.
[00:21:29] Tom Butta: Maybe this is the answer you'll likely give, but what app can't you live without? Lyft. Okay, that's it. Uh, okay, maybe here's a harder one.
[00:21:38] Tom Butta: Um, you're a student of mobile apps, you're a student of experience. You know, is there a trend that you're, you're keen on?
[00:21:47] Zach Greenberger: Hmm. I gotta say, this is gonna sound silly, but click to pay has been something that I've really found is pretty unique, and has been Interesting utility.
[00:21:58] Tom Butta: And it's actually been around a while.[00:22:00]
[00:22:00] Tom Butta: Yeah. It's just finding its application now, I
[00:22:02] Zach Greenberger: think. It's finding, it's finding its application in the value chain as part of the checkout flow, but I found it to be very addicting.
[00:22:10] Tom Butta: No, for sure. Um, okay, here's a hard one though. Um, do you have a role model?
[00:22:17] Zach Greenberger: I do. I would say my parents, my mother and my father.
[00:22:20] Tom Butta: Shout out to parents.
[00:22:21] Zach Greenberger: Yeah.
[00:22:22] Tom Butta: Well, good for them. They've, I mean, from my experience in getting to know you on this podcast as well as preparing for it, I, I, they've obviously raised a, they've raised a good boy. They have a lot to be proud of. But, but, but why do you say that? Why do you say that?
[00:22:35] Zach Greenberger: Well, you know, I, they just encouraged me to really, Be open minded, particularly as it comes to learning new things and, and striving to achieve the things that I really wanted to accomplish in life, and I owe them for that sort of modeled thinking.
[00:22:52] Tom Butta: Well, from my, my perspective, it's obvious that you apply a curiosity and, and then you have a purpose. You know, a drive to be [00:23:00] successful, but you do it in a way that is really quite pleasant. So I'm, I'm, uh, I'm not surprised that you're in the leadership position that you are. All right. Last question. Okay.
[00:23:12] Tom Butta: Um, favorite vacation spot, place you're hoping to go to?
[00:23:16] Zach Greenberger: Cabo.
[00:23:17] Tom Butta: Ooh, okay.
[00:23:18] Zach Greenberger: It's my favorite. Can't, can't beat the warm weather and the beach. There you go.
[00:23:23] Tom Butta: Well, Zach, thank you very much. It's been a great pleasure. Thank you, Tom. This has been awesome.
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